How sick.

This is so sick, Ducky was born at 22 weeks and lived, so how could someone do this to a living being?

i know this forum is very bias at the moment, but i hope you take into consideration other factors that may be involved. i dont think its fair to ridicule someone for there choice, even if you may feel that the operations are cruel or it is against a religious belief, you wont truly know what its like until its been done to you(say you were sexually abused by someone but still happily married with your partner and attempting to have a baby) the choice of abortion becomes heavily considerable. Besides I believe that a doctor who performs abortions and lives a good life has a better chance of getting into whatever afterlife that may be there after us than a man who kills abortion doctors for his beliefs.

You say this site is not biased, yet you fail to mention for what type of abortion those instruments are used for. Most abortions do not require them.
There is,and never has been,any such thing as partial birth abortion. Most take the form of a medical abortion.

“We do not ridicule women who choose abortion”

You do, by assuming they unaware of the full implications of abortion.

“We want women to have the right to know the truth and the right to support to help them continue with pregnancy.”

Are you going to raise the baby for them?

“It is absolutely indefensible to destroy human life”

What if the woman’s life is in danger or she was raped? What if abortion was illegal? You would be condemning hundreds of women to possible death through backstreet abortions. I personally value the life of a sentient being to that of a fetus.

As horrible as I believe abortion to be, you fail to see that in some cases it is necessary. Nevertheless I applaud your peaceful pro-life stance. Violence never got anyone anywhere

I’m curious as to why you keep on using the term ‘destory’ if your website isn’t bias. Surely a more appropriate term would be killing? I fail to see how using destory can not be bias in any way.

Bex prolife may not raise the unborn children themselves, but the number of parents who cannot conceive that are willing to adopt would more than account for the 200,000 babies killed each year.

If someone is raped, it is not the babies fault.

Bex Re ““We do not ridicule women who choose abortion”
You do, by assuming they unaware of the full implications of abortion.” …Very few people are aware of the full implications of abortion. The most common mistake is the conclusion that it`s just a “clump of cells” that`s being removed. This could be addressed by encouraging the mother to either view a fetal development chart,or see her unborn baby on ultrasound,so that she would then be making a more informed decision. There are also the physical and emotional affects of abortion to be taken into consideration. After all,abortion does not ever undo a pregnancy..it just turns an expectant woman into the mother of a dead and mutilated baby. Therefore the negative outcomes that may arise can be both chronic and severe. Women and unborn children deserve FAR better!

Nik, thanks for your post - you make an interesting comparison with other surgical procedures - however, would you accept that your point “they are used for scraping human cells” is a misleading euphemism? If you look at just the facts of the baby’s development, it is clear that it is misleading to describe the body of the baby as “human cells” - it has human form - hands, legs, a head and a body.

In direct answer to your last point - our opposition to abortion has got absolutely nothing to do with opposing invasive procedures - it’s got to do with what abortion is - the dismemberment and killing of a baby before birth.

These pictures are not an attempt to scare - believe me, the pictures of aborted babies are far worse.

Matthew Re “It won’t feel pain.”
You need to try and be more specific here..as your claim on its own is misleading. Some studies suggest that unborn foetuses/babies can experience pain from very early in gestation.. i.e. from around 16 weeks..perhaps even earlier. Whilst some larger medical organisations such as the AMA prefer to claim that pain can`t be experienced before the cerebral cortex is well developed at around 24 weeks geatsation.. But this would appear to be completely disingenuous and is,as far as I am aware, unproven. Personally I think we should use caution here and that the upper time limit for abortion should,for this reason alone, be immediately reduced to 12 weeks (like most of Europe).. This would ensure that,whilst abortion remains legal,there is no possibility of the experience of pain.. Killing an unborn child is,in itself,indefensible,whilst the possibility of causing it immense pain as well only adds to the tragedy.

When I was a child I was raped and of course Pregnancy was a big fear and so my mother forced me to take the morning after pill… which I totally didn’t understand at that age and thought I was aborting a baby or something and it really upset me… so I will say for sure if anything like that happened again NO I would not abort… there are plenty of childless couples… If I couldn’t face bringing the child up I could give it to any of my sterile friends and family!!!

I think all of you who don’t think that unborn children don’t feel pain, need to do some research. Also I am doing research for this subject now, and I must correct some figures. These instruments are in fact used in horrible, barbaric ways in all stages of pregnancy. The fact that you guys keep talking about rape or incest these type of abortions only account for 1% performed abortions. There are 1.3 million abortions performed a year and 115,000 performed a day worldwide. This is the 9/11 tragedy x30 or Katrina x62 (Guttmacher institute). The baby’s heart begins beating in 18 to 25 days, and brain waves have been recorded @ 40 days. At as early as 11 weeks a baby has fingertips and may only be about three inches long, but has every distinction of a human being. In the first trimester the abortionist uses a vacuum which rips the baby apart. After that the abortionist takes a instrument called uterine currette to scrape the uterus (D&C)and take out all of the fetal remains. A (D&E) abortion can happen up to 18 weeks of pregnancy and is very violent. They take the forceps and start ripping apart the baby and just ripping what they can get a hold of. They also use a salt poisoning (saline amniocentesis) injected into the mothers abdomen into the amniotic fluid surrounding the baby. This can cause a serious burning to the skin and is eventually taken into the lungs and death follows and then evacuation. The third trimester abortion in fact does occur. It does occur less frequently, but it still happens. A partial birth abortion takes place when birth is induced and a hole is cut into the base of the skull and the brain is vacuumed out. This happens by pulling the legs out first and the head is still in the uterus. This is killing and it is wrong, and should be stopped. Everyone needs to look at the pictures and see for yourself. I am in college getting my R.N. and I had to do some research for a project. I never new it was this bad. Go to Abortin73.com, or prolife.com, or watch the silent scream on youtube.com they have pictures of what abortion really looks like. Please don’t hate just educate yourself and your friends. No matter what your stance these pictures will make you wonder what we are doing as a human race. To me this is completely different from any other surgical instrument. Other instruments may cause pain, but it is short lived and eventually heals and makes better. You may choose to have an abortion but that scar will stay with you forever. Anything is better than killing the innocent.

Katie, maybe you should use that ‘heartbeat’ to consider the pill and condoms. Why women feel it is okay to use abortion as a secondary measure so that they can selfishly continue with their lifestyle unhindered is beyond me.

I had a baby whilst I was studying, I have now gone back to studying and I do not regret my decision. Contrary to popular belief babies do not end your life and it scares me that women falsely declare abortion as necessary for social reasons. Why is adoption such a bad option for these people?

In response to Greg’s comments - I think it is comments such as yours that frequently ‘lose’ the argument for the prolife lobby, as such comments come across as shortsighted and ignorant. People make mistakes and contraception is not 100% effective. Rather than condeming people who have abortions as “stupid”, “pathetic” and “evil”, it would be far better to strive towards lowering the rate of unwanted pregnancies in the first place. I think that is something on which people who are pro-life and those that are pro-choice certainly agree!

I would also like to point out for every “stupid” woman out there, there is undoubtedly also a “stupid” man too!

Regards,

A “stupid, pathetic, evil” woman.

Every has the right to life, therefore everyone should have the right of death.

Proverbs 31: 8 “Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves”

I hate abortions! I think if you really dont want kids then use protection!! My brother and his wife can never have children and have spent Thousands on IVF with nothing to show for it. They would give everything for a baby and there is people out there having abortions all the time. I have 2 kids and would never have an abortion no matter what! My mother was forsed to have a back street abortion by her mum when she was 23 weeks gone. Thats 40 years ago now it was pulled from her with his heart still beating but missing limbs and shoved in2 a bucket my mother has never forgot that little boy he would have been my brother! So just think before you act!

Greg I think your heart may be in the right place, but you need to work on getting that across. Calling woman stupid is not only “stupid” on your part, it turns pro-choice people away. It also gives them the since that we hate, and we don’t hate the individual. We just hate the act and what is being done to these poor babies. Also it is a man’s responsibility also. It takes two. As for Straj you need to do some research before you say such things. I have posted before read what Michelle has to say before this. It is not scare tactics. Those instruments are used to rip and tear an unborn fetus apart. That is the truth. If you don’t believe me that is fine, please do your own research. The reason for abortion is the total lack of education of what really happens to these precious babies. Abortion should never be used as a choice of birth control. Please go to Abortion73.com, prolife.com, or watch the silent scream on you-tube. Also if you feel you must go to a pro-choice website, see what they have to say. Also if you can pick up an Anatomy and Physiology book, or look up life, or start of life on the internet. See what the definition of life is. Life starts at conception. What abortionist do to these babies is inhumane. Please educate yourself abortion is not a quick fix. You will live with this decision for the rest of your life. Life is a gift, and who are we to decide when to end it?